Who Are Donald Trump Supporters?

Stumbled across a post “Who are Donald Trump Supports?” which proceeds to give a list.  Out of curiosity I decided to take a closer look at this list.

We are sick of political correctness. 

This seems like a free speech issue and on the surface it is.  Just underneath the surface is using words and phrases that make people uncomfortable.  Sure “sticks and stones may break our bones but words will never hurt me” sounds great but when we are insulted we are, well, insulted.  And to continue to purposely insult people is kind of being a dick.  Dig further down and the power of words can shape our perceptions of reality.  When people are traumatized it takes only a word to create a trigger that will make the person relive the trauma.  Would we treat our veterans this way?  Would we be exercising our freedom of speech if we expressed ourselves by suddenly yelling at a veteran suffering from PTSD and watching them dive under the nearest table? (For those of us who love irony, seeing the prankster pummeled in the face).  Words shape our reality and define who we are.  When we refer to people in terms that makes them second class citizens, they see themselves as second class citizens.  We often perpetuate generational misconceptions, adding one more obstacle to an already difficult road.

 

We like the fact that he is self-funded – he does not owe any favors

That is great, no special interest pulling the strings on the top executive.  But it is not entirely true.  He does self-fund his campaign more than the other candidates but approximately half of his campaign money comes from donors and super-pacs.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-self-funding-his-campaign-sort/

 

We are fed up with the corruption in DC

I agree with this.  Who wants corruption in our capital? But how much power does the president have in “cleaning up” the town?  But how uncorrupted is Trump?  Trump University seems to be non-stop scandal.  He has bankrupt his business four times, yet has come out on top.  He is associated with ACN Inc. which has been accused as a pyramid scheme.  It’s multi-level-marketing is, well, scandal riddled.  Donald Trump is a business man who plays hard ball.  Being corruptible or not corruptible is not a business man’s question.  It is how much money can be made with as little risk.  What that means if there is money to be made, he will probably go for it.

 

We hate liberal ideology

I have to question this, do they know what liberal ideology is?  Do they not like the liberal ideology of free speech, free press, and freedom of religion, free markets, or representative democracy?  Are they opposed to the natural right to life, liberty and property?  Is it the civil rights they are against?  A secular government?  Our country was founded on liberal ideology.  Are they for curbing free speech, censoring the press, state religion (often not yours), monopolies, and absolute monarchy?  Do they not believe they have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of property?  To most liberals to hate liberalism is to want to be shackled and chained.  Is this what Trump supporters want?

 

We are tired of supporting illegal immigrants

Not sure what support.  With recent anti-immigration laws being passed around the country, many farm economies are suffering because of a shortage of workers.  http://globalcomment.com/how-anti-immigration-laws-are-creating-farm-worker-shortages/ Claims of huge sums of welfare money goes to illegal immigrants are unsubstantiated. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/ Crime rates are also unsubstantiated.  Data is murky but according to http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime incarcerations are roughly the same as the general population.  Although the studies don’t differentiate between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants it appears foreign born residence do not appreciatively raise the crime rate.

Hillary belongs in prison

I had to look this one up.  As far as I know she has done nothing out of the ordinary, aside from the concept that all politicians are crooks, which is a large net to cast.  One article http://conservative-daily.com/2015/04/21/hillary-clinton-belongs-in-prison-period/ claims that as secretary of state she accepted gifts without congressional approval which is Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution also known as the Title of Nobility Clause.  Gift exchanges between governments are so common that in 1961 congress passed the Fulbright-Hays Act as a blanket approval of gift giving and receiving.   The gifts have to be registered, which you can find here, http://www.state.gov/s/cpr/c29447.htmCondoleezza Rice has a very long list of gifts received, along with Bush, his entire staff, congressmen etc. etc.  This is a non-issue.

Clinton’s emails and the nonuse of government emails and servers has been a big concern.  But according to http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/03/hillary_clinton_private_email_scandal_no_one_gives_the_clintons_the_benefit.html those rules and regulations concerning the use of emails and using government servers to keep records were not in place until after Clinton left office.  Many previous cabinet officers also used private emails.  John Kerry is the first Secretary of State to follow the new regulations. 

We want a wall on the southern border

This goes back to the no support of illegal immigration above.  Whether we like it or not, immigrant workers make up a huge part of our labor force in agriculture.  To such an extent that when threatened with deportation, millions of dollars’ worth of crops rotted in the fields due to lack of a labor force.

People who want to build a wall have never built a wall.  With differing terrain and weather conditions any wall in remote areas will soon be undermined by the elements.  We can continue to research and build better walls but the cost effectiveness that most security experts http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-the-united-states-build-a-fence-on-its-southern-border/why-a-border-fence-wouldnt-work agree is better spent elsewhere, either in more manned patrols, or more electronic surveillance.

Remember that Great Wall of China?  It was built to stop the Mongol invasion.  It didn’t stop the Mongol invasion.

We want jobs back from over seas

Aside from the fact of what business is it of the president to solve economic woes the economic forces that push jobs overseas is much too complicated for a single president to solve.  This is part of the globalization of our economy, which is driven by both cheaper labor overseas, emerging markets http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-05-17-Multinationals-send-jobs-overseas_n.htm and possibly our own energy consumption http://www.morssglobalfinance.com/the-loss-of-american-manufacturing-jobs-what-are-the-facts/ .  These are all business decisions, not political.  And Trump, if nothing else, is an astute businessman.

We want Isis eliminated, not “contained”

To eliminate a group is a long process and historically it has never been successful, think of Nazis final solution, Turkeys attempted genocide of the Armenians and our own attempts to eradicate Native Americans.  All of these examples, and others, failed and left with a stronger political force than before.  Even WWII’s attempts to eradicate fascism failed as there are still fascist elements in all societies.  Cost effectiveness of an all-out war is weighed heavily by our military elite.  Do we sacrifice more American soldiers on foreign soil in a war that can be easily fought by proxy?  So far the elimination of ISIS is pretty standard rhetoric amongst all of the political candidates.  We may differ on course of action but no one is advocating acceptance of ISIS and no one knows the best solution.  It would seem that ISIS will eventually implode.  They are a violent group that has no allies, even amongst other violent groups.  Even the Taliban has distanced themselves from ISIS.  They have declared Jihad on each other.  Would it be better to save American lives and let those two duke it out?

We want Obamacare repealed

Privatization of our health services never made sense to me.  In order for the free market of private companies to work, you need the competition.  When was the last time you shopped around for a hospital or an ambulance service?  You usually go to the nearest hospital and ambulance services cover specific areas. For profit insurance companies look to profitability first, your health second.  That’s just business.  Health Insurance will gladly take your money but as soon as you are cutting into profits, they find ways to wiggle out.  I am not a big fan of the Affordable Health Care Act but I do support a single payer system.  “Obama Care” does provide coverage for more Americans and it comes down to do we have a right to be healthy.  Some argue that the right to health is not in the constitution.  We should leave it as you are as healthy as you can afford to be http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2009/11/1035/ .  The problem with this is poor people are forced to used emergency services.  They often wait until a preventable disease reaches its critical stage, often costing, what ends up being the taxpayers, more money in the long run.  There is nothing stopping us from adding a right to health into our constitution.  Only our dogmatic political beliefs.

We want our military built back strong

We have the strongest military in the world.  We have the biggest military budgets in the world http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/18/republicans-wont-stop-saying-our-military-is-weak/. There is no other country in the world that can plan and execute an invasion half a world away.  Russia can’t do it and China can’t do it.  We can cut our military budget in half and still have the strongest presence known in the history of the human race.  Our spheres of influence around the globe remain unchallenged.  Whatever wars the US has lost is not because of the ineffectiveness of our military but the ineffectiveness of our foreign policy.  We have modernized our military to the point that troop’s numbers are not as important as they once were.  We already have a nuclear arsenal that can destroy the world several times over, if we cut that in half we still have an arsenal that can destroy the world several times over.   And as WWII and WWI demonstrated, we can increase our military virtually at a moment’s notice.

We want vets taken care of, they deserve it

No one that I know of will disagree with this.  I believe that our vets should get carte blanche support for their re-entry into civilian society.  Republicans have constantly blocked or politicized most veteran’s benefits http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/23/1249904/-GOP-s-actual-track-record-on-supporting-veterans .  True that Trump is not part of this group and feasibly if elected and with a Republican congress, Veteran’s benefits could be easier to pass, it doesn’t detract from the fact that people’s lives have been politicized for partisan gain.

But what about Trumps views of vets?  His comment of John McCain’s status as a war hero should send a red flag to every veteran.  McCain criticized the support for Trump, undiplomatically calling them “the crazies” http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/john-mccain-has-a-few-things-to-say-about-donald-trump .  Instead of coming to the support of his supporters, Trump attacks McCain’s war record http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/07/18/trump-says-mccain-is-no-war-hero/ . Does this mean that Trump agrees with McCain?  That his supporters are “The Crazies”?  You can’t dismiss a veteran’s record and still say you support veteran’s benefits.  Dismissing veteran’s experiences is an attempt to remove veterans from the status of being a veteran.  Another way to reject the benefits they deserve.  John Kerry is a bona fide war hero.  You can dislike him because of his political views but you can’t take away his experience as a veteran.  John McCain is a bona fide war hero.  You can disagree with his opinion but you can’t take away his experience as a veteran.

Granted Trump tried to backtrack but the take away from this incident is Trump immediately attacked on the reputation of McCain and did not address the content of McCain’s opinion.  Couldn’t he have said that his supporters are true Americans, passionate in their belief and frustrated with government?  That they have a right to act a little crazy because they are not being heard in the halls of government?  He has said similar things in the past, why not this time?

Actually the veteran’s support for Donald Trump is questionable, http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/25/donald-trump-veterans-john-mccain as the there is some confusion if the names are those that actually support or Trump thinks should support him.

It seems to be politics as usual.  Some of the issues are fabricated some are real.

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5 responses to “Who Are Donald Trump Supporters?

  1. One problem with defining others who differ from us is that we look at our own politics as sugar and spice and everything nice, and consider the other guys snakes and snails and puppy dog tails. I don’t think that Trump supporters are an amorphous mass.

    My brother in law Terry Marthaller is a Trump supporter. He is also college educated, got into the tech industry early, and changed his focus to police work. He is a retired police sergeant. One thing that he likes about Trump is that he is plain spoken, a characteristic that endeared many to Reagan. I’m not talking about agreeing with him, but you do know where he stands, like it or hate it. By contrast I met Sen. Ron Wyden when he first ran for Congress, and getting a straight answer from him was impossible. This was not in a public forum where I could yell “gotcha,” but one on one. Wyden is more typical of politicians, and people are tired of politics as usual. My niece’s significant other is likewise a college graduate, and a lobbyist, and a Trump supporter. Both are good people.

    Immigration is a hot button issue. We have a local candidate who has made his career tackling illegal immigration. He is a contractor who found himself unable to compete with other contractors who use illegal immigrants and pay them significantly less than American citizens, so I see his point, though I do not agree with his demonizing illegals or making them scapegoats for all of our troubles. Illegal immigration is far from the #1 problem in my view. At the same time we had a coalition of immigration groups holding a march demanding rights for illegal immigrants beyond simple due process of law. That struck me as Chutzpah, since neither of us would have rights to be in any other country illegally. My other brother in law, Mike, a long haul trucker, has to jump through hoop after hoop every time he enters Canada, and he has been married to a Canadian.

    The extreme positions make dealing with immigration compassionately and with intelligence well nigh impossible. It has led to some truly draconian measures when it comes to deporting people brought her by parents when they were very young children.

  2. The issue of political correctness is an example of attempting to silence opponents. I am not speaking of common courtesy, taking care not to be deliberately offensive. I am talking about when people resort of euphemisms and no one knows what is on the other person’s mind. Sometimes opinions can have rough edges, but two or more people cannot actually dialogue unless they can be completely honest about who they are. Both sides practice political correctness. Some have suggested that the election of President Obama was a test for racial tolerance and “maturity” rather than a straight forward choice that Obama was a better candidate and more fit for office than either McCain or Romney. If race or gender are reasons to support a candidate, they are also reasons to oppose one. I have yet to hear an Obama supporter say that Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, or Michael Steel should be supported because they are black.

    During the Clarence Thomas hearings I made the comment that seeing Strom Thurmond, an arch segregationist who ran for President as a Dixiecrat working to put a black man on the Supreme Court was ironic. Her response was that Thomas was not really “black,” as if skin color predestined a person to certain beliefs and attitudes. That is prejudice and it is racist. My friend Kevin Bowers, a parole/probation supervisor, is several degrees to the right of me.

  3. There are many differences between self described liberals and self described conservatives. Local control vs. Federal control, private property rights, the limits of power, the proper role of government, individual vs. herd, to name a few. My observation is that both believe that the ends justify the means, that having the power to do something is the same as having the right to do something, that having a “good idea” justifies using force if enough people can be convinced of it. And so we find ourselves sinking deeper into the mire. Both self professed liberals and self professed conservatives are at bottom authoritarian. Authoritarian vs. libertarian (small “l,” not to be confused with the Objectivist nonsense of Ayn Rand) is where the real divide exists.

    It has been decades since I actually voted for a candidate. I nearly always have voted against. I deregistered years ago since participating in elections indicated that I recognize the legitimacy of the present system. I do not. I reregistered when Bush II invaded Iran and Afghanistan, since innocent lives were at stake and I felt morally obligated to do what I could to stop the slaughter. I was also deeply disturbed by the domestic consequences of militarization. I considered the neoconservatives a greater danger than others and acted accordingly, supporting Democratic candidates that not actually represent me. The advent of Trump has writ finis to neoconservatism and the religious fanatics supporting the present incarnation of the GOP.

    Trump is not the answer for America, but neither is Sanders, Clinton, or Cruz. I find myself without a dog in this fight, since none of the candidates or parties represent my interests or values. “Anybody but Bush” got us nowhere, and so will “Anybody but Trump.” Our system does not work for those it is not intended to serve. The problems are systemic. I think that many beguiled by The Donald are subconsciously aware of this.

    I ‘ll leave Obamacare and other issues alone. I did not support Obamacare, but I did point out the illogic of supported mandatory insurance for drivers while simultaneously saying that mandatory medical insurance is an overreach.

    • Thanks Dan. Don’t know what to do about the Donald. I often wonder if he is being blown out of proportion or if he is a real threat to democracy. I kind of lean towards being blown out of proportion because he has no political philosophy, or at least none that is any different than the rest of the candidates out there.

      The extreme measures that people talk about Mr Trump is manipulative in that I must support the other candidate. We must rally around someone who can win against Trump, it doesn’t matter who. Or maybe it does matter because Clinton has a better chance. What ever they choose to say, they create this crisis that I must choose the only one good side. I’m suspicious of the politics and wonder if I’m being led around by the nose. No one is actually arguing issues. They kind of mention a few but largely talk about how bad the other guy is. That doesn’t say anything.

      O well. Politics as usual.

  4. Trump reminds me a lot of George Wallace. Had he not been shot during his campaign, he could have won enough electoral votes to put the election in the House of Representatives. He is also reminiscent of Ross Perot, a billionaire to financed his own campaign. Unlike Perot, he does not appear to have original ideas or solutions.

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